Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-9605025-20150328164912/@comment-9890645-20150402214737

CorporateJP wrote: Like I said, face saved with alt timeline.

Into Darkness was a clusterfuck, however, and I felt like I was prostituted with the use of "Harry Mudd's ship" (wasn't all this supposed to happen pre-OS in an alt timeline?), the aforementioned whitewashing of Khan (Ricardo Montalbahn spits at thee from hell), and the corny flipped roles of Kirk and Spock channeling ST2:TWOK with the Kirk death in the engine chamber (also something taken from OG future timeline).

I get that they are trying to get and keep new fans while tip-toeing around us die-hards, but I thought Orci was a diehard as well, so shame on him.

Us diehards would have supported something fresh, but as stated, they went with the least riskiest route with proven characters to destroy the box office.

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy will always be Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly to me, but I applaud Pine, Quinto, and Urban because they have done it justice.

Hope they do the next one justice closer to the first reboot, because they are clearly breaking the trend of "Even-Better-Than-Odd" already (although I liked V, it was fun). A few points...

What part of the Khan story do you feel was "whitewashed"? I will agree that this is a part of the story that didn't need changing (as much of its setup was from a time before the timelines diverged), but I'm curious as to what part was so bad.

I actually enjoyed the "turnaround" of Kirk being the one to make the sacrifice. It was another thing that subtly reminded us of the fact that it IS a divergent timeline, so things should happen differently.

On the subject, though, my biggest dislike in the new movies is the Spock-Uhura business. Spock having a girlfriend is just wrong LOL.

Of the three main actors, I think Karl Urban is a home run with how he plays Bones. Quinto strikes me as too youthful in comparison to Nimoy. No matter how hard he tries, Pine can never approach Shatner for me.

I think having the Khan story be the second of the new movies will be one of the last nods to the OS movies that we will see. After a "setup" movie and a "throwback" movie, I think it's time for the third movie to tell an all-new story. I'll be disappointed if they lean too heavily on the OS references. Make it its own.

One last note: I was one of a handful of people who were very "vocal" online about having Jonathan Frakes direct ST3. It's a shame they passed over him for a guy who did a Fast&Furious movie. :(