Board Thread:Game Discussion/@comment-15277159-20130909225523/@comment-101.170.255.249-20130910082141

Ranoake wrote: DaMWind wrote: From a friends experience, these discount websites are not necessarily legit businesses. They tanke advantage of the current exchange rate for what ever country they are in. I don't know what any exchange rates are but as an example, European players may have the 5000 coins for 50 Euro. Say 50 Euro is only $40. So you send someone in Europe $40 and your password. They log in to your account and by the coins using Euros. Viola, you got 5000 coins for $40. Then remember to change your password so it doesn't get hacked later.

I am torn as to whether this cheating or not. It's a bit unscrupulous and dangerous but is it cheating? But it is in the Mobage TOS, so a banning is justified by those terms. But a warning might have been nice.

And I have purchased iTunes gift cards on sale at Target fo 10% off before. Is that cheating? I think there is a big difference between you getting a 10% discount and her getting a 50%+ discount. I would LOVE to know where I can get iTunes cards at 50% off on a regular basis! You are also assuming that the is actually the case, that they are using iTunes cards, which remains to be proven, but is largely not relevant to this issue (see below).

This reeks of foul play. We can't prove that the site is doing anything illegal, fine I get that. But the TOS are clear, and they are written that way to protect PAYING PLAYERS. Sure you can buy a discount iTunes card, and IF you can find it for 50% off legitimately, then more power to you, but that does NOT involve giving someone your password.

The 2 things are completely separate, and people are trying to muddy the waters with talk of cheap iTunes cards. That is NOT the issue here.

We are not upset if she got discount iTunes cards, but we know she did not, FOR SURE. She speculates that the site uses them, but that is completely irrelevant. IF you cannot get a discount without giving out your PW, it is not allowed, and I think that is a fair rule.

If they wanted to get around the TOS and it is just discounted iTunes cards they have, they could sell the cards to us instead of using them directly themselves in our accounts, but that does not seem to be an option. I could speculate why, maybe the are actually using stolen CC, or maybe not, but the point is it doesn't matter at all.

The TOS is crystal clear, and I support it fully. If you can get a discount from them or anyone else via iTunes cards, you can also do it without giving out your password. @Ranoake

I'm not sure, but I think I was the first to suggest the comparison between the discounted coins and discounted itunes on the facebook page (got attacked pretty viciously by y2k btw, but I digress...)

To answer your question, 50% off itunes are available quite often (where I'm from anyways, see this link http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/108600 ; actually available every few months).

Playing devil's advocate again, can't you imagine a scenario in which you were made to look as you gave out your password to someone else? How about logging in from a friend's device? If for some fantastic (read: ridiculous) reason this got you banned, would you still blindly and vehemently support this term/clause?

In this age we live in, in which people will jump on any and all "deals" made available (see slickdeals, ozbargain, etc), is it really impossible some less than ethical person with lots of money attempted to exploit a deal? If you go to the ozbargain site I mentioned and search "itunes", you'll see the most recent deal was for a free $10 itunes card from another australian site. Wonder how many times people tried to exploit that? People don't exploit these things you say? Ever check out sites like cheatingnetwork?

I didn't bother responding to y2k in the facebook thread, but if he's reading, and I know he is, "I still love how her supporters point out how what she did was comparable to buying cheap ITunes/Playstore cards... ", take off your blinders and see that it really, truly is a legitimate comparison. You actually never explained, rather simply alluded to the fact that it is different because "she gave out her password", but aside from it breaking the TOS, so effin what? That's a risk that she took, it's on her. If her account was hacked, then she cannot cry foul. But she still paid for those coins. Negating all this and calling her a cheater because she gave out her password and broke TOS, seems like a really weak argument to me.

To those calling it fraud, please just shut it. You guys have no idea what you're talking about, or how to investigate and prove something was a fraud. Get a dictionary. This isn't fraud.

And to the guy who is a fan from 83/84, wow, just wow. You deserve the golf clap for that one. Poster above me was right in saying "disgusting".

I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF ITSME. Just think that this is herd mentality coupled with sore losers on steroids.