Board Thread:Game Discussion/@comment-11784273-20130902154747/@comment-10214922-20130903151955

Ranoake wrote: Masarujasu wrote: I get what you are saying Ran, however I was trying to illustrate the dichotomy here being that dealing with illegitimate business may be unethical, but it is not cheating in the context of the game itself.

Well just because the terms of use don't say 'don't use stolen money to buy our coins' does not make it necessarily legal. Mobage might not have an issue, but stealing money to buy something overall is still cheating and illegal. If the credit card companies tied the use of a card to your account, they would go after you, not the hackers you claim did it. Just like when you go through customs with something someone gave you that is illegal, they stop you and not the person that gave it to you.

I think it is a very loose interpretation of 'cheat' you are using to make that argument. Defrauding Mobage is not the only way to cheat in this game...

Sure, robbing a bank and using that money to legally buy coins from Mobage is not 'technically' cheating, but practically, it is. You have gained an advantage through illegal means, which is the practical definition of cheating. Ran you are talking about stolen credit cards and robbing banks now. Are you adamant that this is how the third party site works? I agree it's a plausible theory, but I have not seen the evidence, therefore I cannot condemn anyone at this point.

Also I was not aware that there was a practical definition and a technical definition of cheating, however if so then one is a definition that Mobage cannot enforce and one that the community can enforce, provided there is evidence upon which to do so. Again, I cannot condemn anyone at this point.

Regarding Terms of Use, I'm not interested in what is legal - rather I am interested in when Mobage states something is against its Terms of Use, it better well be in there. I've read communications on various FB pages and have seen statements that there have been contraventions of the Terms but haven't seen those actual clauses in the Terms.