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  • What do you guys think about the change to the ?? bosses? Mobage claims it is in response to user feedback but personally I would rather get less points for more BC then less BC for more points. Also, the announcement said they were supposed to be on par with level 7. Last I checked, 7 Hotshot was only 0.75 B while ?? Blades is 1.19 B. Is it just me or does that seem to be not on par?

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    • i like them, use one cube and let others join in on the fun, no need to go all lone ranger. You get more cubes for co-op participation.

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    • Not quite following you Andrews...

      but

      I think the "??" pay off is AWESOME.

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    • I like it.  At first, it only offered 2 BCs, but I think they updated it.  Yes, I say that from the "boss rewards" screen.

      Then it went to x5 for MVP and x3 for cooperation.

      Now that I can 1 cube them all, it is 8 BCs total.

      The main problem is like Kyzaa said, you can't go at em alone on lower decks, and when you seed, someone else does and everybody loses.

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    • I like it too. They are quite easy to kill and have great points rewards along with a lot a BC.

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    • Guys, you all have good arguments but, may I point out that they only hold if you have a strong deck. Your calculations assume that either you can 1-cube them or that you get the co-op. Suppose it takes 3 players (with medium strength) to take one down, neglecting mvp, the maxuimum bc obtainable is 2 (participation + start/finish). By comparison, even weak decks could get 4 from 1-cubing the previous ?? bosses.

      To be frank, this looks like just another move to weedout the weak players that don't want to pay a fortune to get string decks quickly. Think about it, like many other changes in the past, this one is better for strong players but worse for weak players.

      Anyways, they definitely made a mistake in the health. The new bosses are on par with level 8 not level 7 (as was claimed in their news release).

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    • Not to diminish the work of other players, but... it doesn't take much to get started, certainly doesn't cost a fortune.  I began playing part way through Darkness pt1, not that long ago.  In total, I spent maybe $80, start-to-now (not counting coins from other sources), and that was mostly because I wanted a specific card, not really to build a strong deck.  

      In the few weeks that I have played, I have a full deck of R5s, all MTMs.  Nearly every current cards are from ruby medals, point rewards, or placement rewards: 3 skullcrushers, cutthroat, air raid, long haul, tailwind, evolved motormaster, tantrum, powerglide.  Only paid-for card is Depth Charge, because I was curious about that raider starter pack they offered a few weeks ago.  

      Take out the $80, which was mostly spent on items (chains/BCs), and you still have a solid 30-40k DP deck.  Mobage has a lot of work to do if they really want to push out all the players that won't spend cash on the game.  

      Not agreeing with this change, merely saying the game isn't lost to the average gamer just yet.  :)

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    • @Agamerjes

      Well, perhaps you could share a few pointers. I've been playing consistently (mostly intensively) for a year now (not giving in to the urge to buy images) and still can't get my dp over 10k. If you really so have a strategy for reaching 40k in a month with no purchases, please share.

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    • Agamerjes wrote:
      Not to diminish the work of other players, but... it doesn't take much to get started, certainly doesn't cost a fortune.  I began playing part way through Darkness pt1, not that long ago.  In total, I spent maybe $80, start-to-now (not counting coins from other sources), and that was mostly because I wanted a specific card, not really to build a strong deck.  

      In the few weeks that I have played, I have a full deck of R5s, all MTMs.  Nearly every current cards are from ruby medals, point rewards, or placement rewards: 3 skullcrushers, cutthroat, air raid, long haul, tailwind, evolved motormaster, tantrum, powerglide.  Only paid-for card is Depth Charge, because I was curious about that raider starter pack they offered a few weeks ago.  

      Take out the $80, which was mostly spent on items (chains/BCs), and you still have a solid 30-40k DP deck.  Mobage has a lot of work to do if they really want to push out all the players that won't spend cash on the game.  

      Not agreeing with this change, merely saying the game isn't lost to the average gamer just yet.  :)

      I completely agree with you Agamerjes, it defnitely does not cost much if anything in order to get a "strong" deck now. In fact if you have the patience it costs absolutely nothing.

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    • @Andrewds1021

      Assuming 4 weeks in 1 month and you hit at least each event type once:

      Raid Event: farm your ass off during Day 1 for ECs. ECs are starting to become more of the lifeblood of this game, as they are crucial for every event type. If you are able to farm between 750-1000 ECs during the first 24 hours, you've had success on multiple stages. Not only did you farm EC to be used in other event types, you've also most likely secured a nice set of cards through the point rewards (you should have reached multiple millions of points) - that is a full R5 set right there. You can't T1, don't go for T2, and see if you can snipe and chase T3. Also from your first 24 hours, you should probably get enough Rubies to make at least 2 pulls for a full MTM R5 raider card, which have been pretty strong recently to stay/add/keep in your deck.

      Evolve/Campaign Event: from the massive amounts of ECs you've farmed, you should be able to do a couple of things depending on your goal. If you want to get some R5 cards for your deck, make multiple runs in the Hard campaign while throwing nets at the bosses (but be warned, you may get unlucky and go for 50-60 runs without netting even 1 of them). Otherwise, you can farm on Easy 1 and start to accumulate nets in your inventory since you'll get 3 nets everytime you beat the Easy 1 boss. Throw nets at everything, as they will give out either +1 BC or extra upgrade transmetals. This is known as EC-to-BC conversion, as it averages out to about 1 BC gained per 1 EC recharge used. No use in trying to achieve T2/T3 since those rewards are usually weak and won't improve your deck much.

      Team Battle: not much you can do except try to get lucky on a team with someone chasing T1. Most likely you won't, so you'll have to look at the rewards and try to end up with 3 days or 4 days wins so you can at least get a nice R5 weapon to use with your deck. It will be a hard decision for you to determine whether or not to spend your resources to help your team. Also there is no way to farm Team Battles, so try to conserve if you can - but don't be that cheap teammate that doesn't help. At the very least, you need to make the minimum required points or else you'll get dropped from your team.

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    • Andrew, is your deck power seriously less than 10k after a year? I have an alt account that I use infrequently over the past 6 months that has around 20k deck power - no money spent. Getting free raiders through points during raids and using free chains on the easy evo boss in campaigns can boost a deck with minimal effort.

      And this is a good change even for weak players - one cube and share, worst case you gain a cube. Part of the change includes an increased encounter rate, meaning you should see more of the ?? Bosses too. If you find 4 under the new rate versus 1 under the old system you are coming out ahead with this current setup.

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    • @ Andrew - They said the power level would be equal with the L7s. I will grant that this doesn't hold up, either. They clearly have to make the early ?? bosses have much lower Attack or HP or both to get that. While they have identical HP to the L8 bosses of their type, their Attack values are considerably lower than the L8 boss. Again, this does not make them on the same level as the L7... but they ain't L8s either.

      @ Vic - I just started playing my alt again, got in there briefly during the last campaign to snatch up an easy Tailwind, then backed off of it when I decided to T1 with my main. It's a totally free-play account and my DP was over 10K just based on my exploits during my first run in TFL. I'd probably be doing more with it (and know more about it) if I didn't have to uninstall and reinstall the app in order to play it. Right now, I've played it enough this episode to have well over 5M points. I haven't MTMed my Skully yet, but its halves are maxed and my DP is 29k. Besides the 2 Skully pieces, I have Tailwind, 2x Getaway 1 MEM, Rack'n'Ruin 1 2E, Darkwing 1, Wheeljack 3 and a half Skywarp 6 (R5). This has been enough to 1-cube me through most of the Grooves.

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    • @Ddr2nite

      That could definitely work, if I could farm that many EC. The amount I can currently farm is well under 500.

      @VicRav

      Perhaps, but it has been my experience that I either 1-cube small bosses, or can't finish medium bosses. So, that means either getting points in small increments and running out of EC or getting points in larger increments and running out of BC. I run out of EC becuase I often get 1-2 bosses per full energon bar. I run out of BC becuase I often get bosses that I can't 1-cube.

      Also, even with the new rates I have only encountered 1 ?? boss. That is the same as before.

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    • Andrewds1021 wrote:
      @Agamerjes

      Well, perhaps you could share a few pointers. I've been playing consistently (mostly intensively) for a year now (not giving in to the urge to buy images) and still can't get my dp over 10k. If you really so have a strategy for reaching 40k in a month with no purchases, please share.

      Wasn't not trying to imply I am an expert or anything.  If you would have watched me during Darkness pt 1, you'd likely laugh at all the silly newbie mistakes.  Seriously, it was tragically funny how stupid I was with resources in the first week or so.  

      As to tips, it greatly depends on what event type the week is.  As others have said, different event have different tactics and strategies.  Ddr posted a lot of good tips. I'll try and run down what I have done, week to week.  Memory is a bit off, so bare with me on the vagueness though.  

      The best thing I did was come here.  I stumbled through Darkness pt 1, transcanning cards before they were leveled, blowing transmetals on R1-R3, completely ignoring weapons.  I was a wreck.  Then I came here and read and read and read.  Recent threads, ancient threads, various links.  I knew the in-game descriptions sucked on day 1, so I needed outside help.  It was here that I learned what evolve cards were and how they worked.  The in-game menu sure didn't answer anything.  Also jumped on live chat and asked questions, or sat and read what others talked about.

      By the time that Darkness pt 2 came about, I had a game plan.  I knew not to waste resources on anything short of R5, R4 for weapons.  I knew not to aim for T1 with a starter deck, so I aimed for 5k+... rewards were upgrades, clearly, but would not break my back or demand cash to hit.  I began fleshing out my allies list with wiki community members.  I used the friends code for the added goods.  I finished out the 4 starter missions to get the 136 energon mark.  I entered Darkness pt 2 and spent $3 on full energon at space bridge to get me going and I just went.  I hit each event with simple strategies.  

      Campaigns, I grinded until I hit a boss I couldn't beat easily (consistently needed 3 cubes).  I farmed the Easy campaign for energon early in the week and the boss I considered my "wall" later in the week for points.  I wasn't breaking records, but I was ending T4/T3 and getting upgrades.  But, I didn't try to level those upgrades yet.

      When raids happened, same thing.  Played as much as I could the first day or so, suck up the small energon cubes.  Later in the week, I one-cubed everything and seeded them for my ally list.  They got the cubes, I got the points and the medals.  That is when I upgraded.  Raids are where the medals rolled in and that is when I tried to MTM cards, but only when I had the resources to MTM it.  A max level x10 bot and X10 alt is better for your DP than a lvl 5 X10 transcanned.

      Only encountered one team event thus far, Monstrosity.  I dislike those.  I scan for bosses, 1-2 cube current bosses to add combo points... but those are about teamwork.  If the rest aren't doing anything, you're swimming against the current.  I got 2 wins that week, put in minimal effort, and still walked away with upgrades.

      As I said before, I spent about $80 overall.  The big purchase was that starter raid deck they had a few weeks ago... for $21 or whatever.  GoC and a few others recommended Depth Charge card and BB's weapon.  It was a solid choice and they both are still in my deck.  Rest of the cash was a few bc here and there, a full energon charge now and then, and one bulk buy of energon chains because I wanted an evolved motormaster, before I realized how subpar evolve card stats are.  lol

      This week, for example.  I entered it with about 300 small energon charges and 450 battle cubes.  All of it was farmed from the prior week's campaign event.  Those resources handed me the 2 million points Skullcrusher and the ruby medals for a second.  The medals from grinding the first two days leveled both bots and alts, and MTM the transcanned.  Not one dollar spent.

      Sorry this was a long post, won't see another like it again.  I was aiming to be clear on this topic.  I thought I was going off-track and I might be seen as not caring about low-DP players.  That was never my intentions.  Trying to give back to the folks that helped me get started, is all.  :)

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    • Ag...nice post..

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    • Thank you.  I hate typing so much.  Makes me feel like I'm spamming or something.  Hopefully that has more usefulness than ranting.  lol

      I forgot to mention in that post, my current DP is actually just under 30k (just finished adding groove/streetwise rewards).  That is without the artificial inflation that a current episode x10/x16 card would add.  Episode cards slow bump it up during the event, usually topping off around 40-50k by the time the cards are all leveled.  False Alarm was insane, with the  power inflation.  I ended with 4 MTM Skullcrushers by Monday, had me at over 50k with that x10 modifier.

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    • @Agamerjes

      Thanks.

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    • I may not know much, but I know how to research and read a ton of crap.  It is a habit I used in every game I've played.  Kind of backfired on me, during my days playing MMOs, because guild members started treating me like a walking wikipedia.  lol  

      That post, how I play, was the results of my researching TFL.  If my borderline OCD habit helps you out, so much the better.  More fun with the game, more money stays in your pocket.

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    • Not sure about the money part. The fact that I don't pay a thing for the game is partially responsible for my current predicament.

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    • Andrewds1021 wrote:
      Not sure about the money part. The fact that I don't pay a thing for the game is partially responsible for my current predicament.

      Takes a lot of work and patience, I T1ed before I even spent a cent on this game. Just took me like 7 months :P

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    • Andrew - I have never spent a cent on the game, and it does take a while to build up a deck, but I've been playing for a while and now I have a DP over 32,000. I also have never attempted to T1 - so my deck isn't inflated with any T1 rewards.

      It just takes some time and following a plan. Resource management is key, sometimes it's just smart to take about a  month and farm exclusively, then you can hit a couple events hard and get some good T2 prizes and raiders.

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    • Yeah, I talked with GOC recently cause something is wrong with my current strategy. I've been at this for a year and apparently I've been diluting my resources the entire time.

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